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Brdgt ([personal profile] brdgt) wrote2008-05-20 12:47 pm
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Debunking the "boys' crisis"

Girls’ Gains Have Not Cost Boys, Report Says
By TAMAR LEWIN, The New York Times, May 20, 2008

The American Association of University Women, whose 1992 report on how girls are shortchanged in the classroom caused a national debate over gender equity, has turned its attention to debunking the idea of a “boys’ crisis.”

“Girls’ gains have not come at boys’ expense,” says a new report by the group, to be released on Tuesday in Washington.

Echoing research released two years ago by the American Council on Education and other groups, the report says that while girls have for years graduated from high school and college at a higher rate than boys, the largest disparities in educational achievement are not between boys and girls, but between those of different races, ethnicities and income levels.

In examining a range of standardized test scores, the report finds some intriguing nuggets about the interplay of family income, race, ethnicity and academic performance. For example, it finds that while boys generally outperform girls on both the math and verbal parts of the SAT, the male advantage on the verbal test is consistent only among low-income students, and that among black students, there was no consistent advantage by sex from 1994 to 2004.

And while boys of all races and ethnicities generally outscored girls of the same group on the math section, the gap by sex for black students was only about half as large as other groups.

The report points out that a greater proportion of men and women than ever before are graduating from high school and earning college degrees. But, it says, “perhaps the most compelling evidence against the existence of a boys’ crisis is that men continue to outearn women in the workplace.”

Linda Hallman, who became executive director of the university women’s group in January, when the work was well under way, said the report was an effort to refocus attention on what she said were the real problems of education for poor and minority children, and away from a distracting debate about a so-called boys’ crisis. Ms. Hallman said the group’s members were concerned about arguments by conservative commentators that boys had become disadvantaged and were being discriminated against in schools intended to favor girls.

“Many people remain uncomfortable with the educational and professional advances of girls and women, especially when they threaten to outdistance their male peers,” the report says , citing Christina Hoff Sommers’s 2000 book, “The War Against Boys: How Misguided Feminism is Harming Our Young Men.”

Ms. Hallman said, “To have this distracter out there, about the boys’ crisis, took away from our mission, from pushing forward for what we were trying to achieve, which is to be a leader in dealing with the education crisis that affects girls and boys without many resources.”

The report may provide new fodder in the battle over whether boys and girls need different methods of teaching.

“There’s still a lot of debate about whether there’s something we should be doing differently in teaching boys and girls,” said Sara Mead, a senior research fellow at the New America Foundation, a nonprofit research group in Washington, who has written on gender equity. “The people on the feminist-leaning side of the debate see the conversation about a boys’ crisis as a strategy to advance the single-sex education agenda. I’m not sure that’s correct. I don’t think the kind of data we have about boys’ and girls’ achievement tells us anything useful about single-sex education.”

The report finds that, generally, boys and girls of similar backgrounds have similar academic success. And the five states in which boys score highest on the tests known as the nation’s report card are also the highest-scoring states for girls, it says.

[identity profile] sasha-feather.livejournal.com 2008-05-20 07:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Fantastic!

“Many people remain uncomfortable with the educational and professional advances of girls and women, especially when they threaten to outdistance their male peers,” the report says , citing Christina Hoff Sommers’s 2000 book, “The War Against Boys: How Misguided Feminism is Harming Our Young Men.”

Oh, those young (white) men. They really need our help, don't they? They suffer so much.

[identity profile] ex-hellocth126.livejournal.com 2008-05-20 08:38 pm (UTC)(link)
I would like to think that the historical origins of feminism would leave it at least aware of the potential damage that the rising tide of negative stereotypes and social expectations in regards to the white male can wreck. As a white male, you suck; you have no cultural backdrop to be proud of and to draw identity from. As a child, you are a violent and destructive little fiend who must be medicated into compliance. When college comes around, you get to be either a drunken frat boy lout, a dumb jock, or a nerd who's scared of girls. After that, you become the Homer Simpson everyman who's dumb and boring and lives under the shadow of your smart and sophisticated wife.

I'm not some conservative alarmist who thinks that feminism is some insidious plot to destroy masculinity. But neither do I write off as reactionary every suggestion that the average white male (y'know, only a very few of us get to become part of the Big Bad corporate/government patriarchy) is being marginalized.

Especially since white men who feel marginalized by gender & ethnic politics are much more likely to vote Republican.

[identity profile] brdgt.livejournal.com 2008-05-20 08:42 pm (UTC)(link)
It's apples and oranges babe.
Edited 2008-05-20 20:42 (UTC)

[identity profile] brdgt.livejournal.com 2008-05-20 08:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Which is to say that it's not simply recognizing there is sexism or claiming you aren't "the man," but recognizing the privilege inherent in being a white male in America. Blaming feminists for pointing this out is akin blaming the victim.

[identity profile] sasha-feather.livejournal.com 2008-05-20 08:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for saying that better than I could!

[identity profile] ex-hellocth126.livejournal.com 2008-05-20 10:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Heh, trust me, my persecution complex is not nearly inflated enough for me not to recognize that being a white male in America is a pretty privileged position (now, if you want to talk to me about being an atheist in America...). I don't blame anyone for pointing out truths.

[identity profile] brdgt.livejournal.com 2008-05-20 10:10 pm (UTC)(link)
It's sort of like the "what this story needs is a honky" device - "what these feminists need is a man to point out how they can make their politics more appealing to men!"

[identity profile] ex-hellocth126.livejournal.com 2008-05-21 03:09 am (UTC)(link)
I'm sorry if that's what you thought I was saying, because it wasn't. I don't think feminism really has all that much to do with the negative stereotyping of the typical white male that I was talking about. That has a much larger source, in my opinion. I was trying to say that feminism, like any social movement representing a specific demographic slice, should at least be conscious of other demographics and try not to perpetuate negative stereotypes about them, either.

Really now, the young white male who lives next door or down the street probably has a lot more in common with you socially and politically than he does with Dick Cheney and James Dobson, and what's the point of ripping on each other when there are bigger fish to fry?

[identity profile] brdgt.livejournal.com 2008-05-21 01:27 pm (UTC)(link)
It's just incredibly frustrating to fight for decades for equal rights and be told that you need to make your message more appealing to people who don't take the time to look at the arguments of feminists, rather than stereotypes of them.

[identity profile] ex-hellocth126.livejournal.com 2008-05-20 08:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Elaboration?

And for the record, for what I know of the subject, I'm in agreement with the article you posted. Socioeconomic factors play a bigger influence on educational success than gender. (Yeah, I'm a class warfarist. Go Marx, it's your birthday)

[identity profile] la-luna-llena.livejournal.com 2008-05-21 01:22 am (UTC)(link)
[livejournal.com profile] twilightreader, I have heard something similar from many men -- that men "don't know who they are" and have trouble developing an identity. These guys are telling me, almost, that they men don't know who they are unless they are in a traditionally privileged role.

You seem to view this identity crisis as coming from the media.

The strange thing, though, is that men are largely in control of the media. Most of the people writing, producing, and directing the material that uses these characters are men.

So, I'm curious -- what do you think men need? New media? To educate the media? Or to create new models and disseminate them?

[identity profile] ex-hellocth126.livejournal.com 2008-05-21 04:03 am (UTC)(link)
I think the male identity crisis that you described and the negative stereotyping of men are actually two separate phenomena.

I think the identity crisis is the result of being a provider for a family no longer being considered a fulfilling, satisfying life. The popular position is that men are "threatened" by their wives bringing home paychecks, which I don't think is really true (at least not with current generations. Perhaps older Boomers), and don't know what to do with themselves because of that. I think, rather, it's that family life just isn't as appealing as it was at the height of the Protestant Work Ethic's social dominance. To channel Chuck Palahniuk, we grew up wanting to be rock stars, and working all day just to come home and watch the kids play till bedtime isn't going to cut it for us anymore. It's quite frankly depressing to feel like we're being denied the lives we could and should be having.

I could try to draw some connection here and say that men like to sit around drinking beer, watching sports, playing video games, and looking at porn because they're secretly depressed they aren't rock stars. While there may be some truth to that, I think that as a generalization it'd be a very weak case. Really, I think that some sitcom writer just decided to parody their own father or uncle, and the character of the "loutish man with said behaviors" became a popular one that was repeated until it became a societal mindset; men think that's what's expected of them, and women expect men to behave like that and to feel exasperated with them for it.

Fortunately, I think it's a temporary thing, as such behavior is becoming increasingly normative for both genders. I know a lot of girls who enjoy crashing on the couch with their boyfriends while playing video games and eating snack foods.
Edited 2008-05-21 04:03 (UTC)

[identity profile] mojave-wolf.livejournal.com 2008-05-20 08:37 pm (UTC)(link)
too much of a hurry to say anything thoughtful, but excellent article; thanks for posting!

[identity profile] brdgt.livejournal.com 2008-05-21 01:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks! (and for the record, I think you're my favorite male feminist right now ;)